Documenting Failure - Episode 3 - Detailed Timestamps
Detailed timestamps:
00:03 - Opening dialogue from Amahra to set the tone of the podcast
00:37 - Transition Music
00:41 - Toni Dee welcomes everyone to the podcast and introduces guests.
01:48 - Toni Dee welcomes everyone to Documenting Failure and asks first question- ‘I'd love you to talk a little bit about your practice, where it stems from, and what you're up to right now.’
03:11 - Amahra answers first question and tells her background and story of how she established her work.
07:52 - Everyone on the podcast joyfully ‘fan girl’ over each other.
08:00 - Christopher appreciates the work and scale of impact Amahra has had. Christopher answers the question telling his story of his career.
11:39 - Christopher mentions inability to access services needed for disabled people.
12:16 - Amahra talks about how she did not intend to be a leader but became one by having to build the work she wanted to do.
14:04 - Christopher mentions the anger that comes from having to be the one to build things first.
14:36 - Toni Dee agrees bringing up the anger that comes from not getting what you need and having to make it yourself.
15:10 - Amahra contributes that the things disabled people ask for are not ‘nice to haves’ but are integral for survival.
17:51 - Transition chatter
18:25 - Toni Dee asks ‘Amahra, if you talk a little bit about your relationship to failure and reframing failure while thinking about endings, while thinking about closing.’
18:51 - Amahra begins to answer the question talking about the things she has had to build since university.
20:40 - Amahra talks about the 2008 financial crisis and the context in which she set up her organisation. The growth that then came from closing one project and moving on to open another. Endings can also be beginnings and are not necessarily signs of failure.
24:43 - Amahra talks about how if you do not take rest your body will eventually make you. Amahra also talks about the love and support from her community to continue on.
26:05 - Transition Music
26:11 - Toni Dee asks- ‘Chris, I'm curious about how artistry and leadership and failure are working in what you're thinking about at the moment.’
26:20 - Christopher answers with accepting his limits, what drives him to continue on and what failure means/looks like for him.
30:03 - Transition Music
30:22 - Toni Dee mentions how they are reminded that disabled people are often removed from society and left out of things so we are having to tread our own path.
31:03 - Christopher agrees and talks about his approach to figuring out in real time what to do.
31:46 - Amahra talks about how there is no playbook, it is ever changing what we need etc but we always learn something, or give ourselves new perspective.Amahra also talks about the cost that doing these things has taken for us personally. There is no, one way to do certain things.
35:17 - Transition Music and chatter
35:33 - Toni Dee asks- ‘What has surprised you, and what in that surprise has been able to be joyful for you, what has been able to ground you and be a pivot that you have got to enjoy.’
36:00 - Christopher answers with his realisation that he was running from himself and the work that comes with stopping that.
36:50 - Amahra wholeheartedly agrees with the realness that Christopher is giving. Amahra describes her own journey of running from who she was and what she realised for herself. Amahra also describes her creativity in traditional work structures and how she translated this into her financial accounting.
40:34 - Amahra talks about the questions that come with bringing your whole self to the table.
41:16 - Transition Music
41:22 - Toni Dee asks ‘What are you looking forward to?’
41:30 - Amahra answers- Christopher Samuels’ book. Christopher answers he is joyful in the moment, there with them.
43.09 - Toni Dee closes off the conversation and thanks the guests for joining the podcast.
43:30 - Outro thanks to the team.