Documenting Failure - Episode 4 - Detailed Timestamps
Detailed timestamps:
00:04 - Toni Dee introduces the podcast and guests.
01:12 - discussion begins and Toni- Dee asks for guests to describe themselves.
01:32 - Maria introduces and describes herself.
02:41 - Chiara introduces herself.
03:37 - Transition Music
03:42 - Toni- Dee asks Chiara to tell us a little bit about how you got to the work that you've got to, like when you think about the practice that you have now, the job, the artistic endeavour that you have now, what was the journey to get there.
03:59 - Chiara answers the first question. Chiara talks about the desire for community, international community and workshops in local communities.
06:32 - Toni-Dee asks Maria to talk a little bit about the journey to where you're at right now.
07:31 - Maria talks about the brutality of ableism, lack of talking about disability justice and the fear that comes with not being able to escape from it. Maria also talks about how her work comes from the wounded Latin American child that was enduring layers of ableism without the language to articulate it. There is knowledge that disabled people have. Maria talks about her journey to becoming the Goddess on Wheels.
12:40 - Transition Music
12:48 - Toni- Dee asks Chiara if there are any issues in Italy with accessibility, possibly with architecture?
13:36 - Chiara answers the question talking about inaccessibility in Italy and how accessibility can seem like a luxury. This can translate into difficulties for touring work with performers who have disabilities.
17:06 - Chiara talks about problematic economical structures that do not support disabled artists.
18:21 - Toni-Dee talks about how access is not negotiable, what we need for survival and cost.
20:38 - Maria contributes that the non-disabled world makes accessibility more complicated than it needs to be. How do we support each other as disabled people and priviledge.
22:59 - Toni-Dee talks about how environment disabled us as well, and how it does not occur to non-disabled people to think of our needs due to lack of imagination.
24:22 - Maria agrees mentioning disability denial, ignorance, fear and how what helps disabled people helps us all.
25:48 - Chiara talks about the complexity of the body, fragility of the body and need for community.
27:44 - Toni-Dee mentions how COVID amplified the fragility of the body.
28:04 - Maria agrees and talks about Covid Denialism, eugenics, ableism, COVID loss and anger at having to remind the world that disabled lives have value.
31:17 - Maria points out the importance of how to use the anger and not stay stuck in it.
31:43 - Toni-Dee talks about being okay to have anger, having this affirmed by other disabled folk and what it looks like to be disabled.
33:15 - Maria talks about the diversity of disabled people, the beauty and sexiness of the disabled body.
34:34 - Toni-Dee encourages discussion about the role of beauty amongst disabled people.
35:02 - Chiara talks about seeing herself as sexy and beautiful, seeing more disabled bodies in all types of media, building with other types of bodies and seeing that on stage. Chiara also talks about changing audiences’ perception through seeing these different types of body on stage.
41:00 - Maria jumps in with her agreement and talks about the need for disabled people to see themselves as beautiful as well as other people. Maria also talks about ableism, Crip aesthetics, desexualisation of disabled people and how disabled people have internalised ableism.
44:34 - Transition Music
44:41 - Toni Dee asks what has been their most joyful and favourite failure.
44:48 - Maria talks about her fascination with failure, doing Karate in a non-disabled class and seeing certain things as joyful failure.
46:41- Chiara talks about her experiences being a dancer and meeting choreographers, not being accepted into spaces and confronting why.
50:30 - Transition Music
50:38 - Chiara offers another moment of failure was not being successful in an audition but being happy it was for her skill not being right at that time and not because of disability.
51:48 - Toni- Dee talks about how being seen in your wholeness is important.
52:32 - Transition Music
52:48 - Toni- Dee asks the guests to talk about what you have learned from another disabled artist or thinker that has transformed your thinking around success or failure.
53:00 - Chiara talks about not being able to walk but she was happy as she was then able to stay in her own posture and think differently about movement.
56:52 - Toni-Dee mentions how interesting the work can be when a group of people have come to a set of questions.
57:20 - Maria talks about how we measure success, ableism, capitalism, recognising our worth.
1:01:32 - Toni-Dee closes off the conversation thanking the guests for joining the podcast.
01:02:12 - Outro thanks to the team.